Nick Lally is also a keen mentor and active in the UK start-up community.
Tomasz Grynkiewicz: What will Ravelin look like in 2020? What’s your primary goal?
Nick Lally, COO of Ravelin: With global initiatives, such as open banking and a bunch of payment regulation changes in Europe, the way e-commerce businesses collect revenue from their customers is going to start to look different in 2020. Ravelin’s role will remain the same; we’ll focus on how we can help these businesses allow the maximum number of good transactions - however they are generated - without falling victim to fraud.
While we do this primarily for payment cards today, and that will be the same in 2020, we will secure a much broader range of payment types, as well as help our customers tackle the growing issues around identity fake accounts, account takeovers and a plethora of terms of service abuses.
What are the major challenges in the industry that could impact your vision?
There is a lot of complexity on how payments are going to develop, and a lot of confusion around where the liability for fraud will fall. It’s a significant education effort for a business such as Ravelin to undertake, so we need to find the channels, bodies and partners who can help us to spread the word.
I’ve read that Ravelin, like many companies with sophisticated machine learning systems, needs to deal with the so-called adoption challenge.
It is important to underline that our machine learning models aren’t there to eliminate a fraud team. They’re there to enhance them. Our platform gives a business’ analysts the tools and insights they need to win the fight against chargebacks and fraud.
A lot of startups fail, but Ravelin succeeded. What values and principles were crucial in accelerating the growth of the company?
I think honesty is at the core of it. We have probably made more hard calls than most start-ups, and walked away from some deals that appear attractive but would be a major detour for us. Instead, we’ve focused on delivering honest, straightforward advice and expectations to our clients and prospects about what we can deliver for their business. As a fraud detection company, we use multiple technologies, including machine learning and behavioral analytics, to give the best results for our clients.
What are the most important features and values that made Ravelin stand out from the fintech crowd?
Pragmatism is at the heart of everything we do. Ravelin was born out of a merchant environment dissatisfied with the incumbent fraud tools in the industry. We created Ravelin to align with the dynamism of today’s fraud and to constantly adapt to the emerging threatscape.
What are your major markets to conquer?
We started very squarely at the centre of what we know well, which is the on-demand app space. Some of the team at Ravelin worked at an on-demand app previously, and it was the experience gained there that made us realise that there was a gap for a real-time, machine learning fraud tool that combined speed with accuracy.
Luckily these requirements are increasingly shared in other industries, so we’ve started to gain clients in ticketing, travel, gaming and retail e-commerce. As the fraudsters evolve, our business needs to evolve with them. Over the next few years, we expect to see some other sectors soon.
What about geographical expansion? European fintech companies are starting to challenge overseas markets. What is Ravelin’s approach?
We operate across 93 countries already, because this is where the customers of our clients are placing orders. From Lima to Liverpool and from Dubai to New York. We serve these clients from our London office currently, and we are likely to grow that soon, but I can’t say anything more!
There are new legal changes in the EU market coming (i.e. PSD2, GDPR). Do you treat them as a threat or an opportunity?
These are huge opportunities, but the race is to understand what is going to be useful to the market, understand how to productize it, and then sell it. No one wants to understand these regulations, they just want to comply and get on with their lives. The winners will be the companies that can abstract that for businesses and allow them to successfully grow their businesses and revenues in this new era.
From your point of view, what is inevitable when you start a fintech company in 2018? What would be your advice to other players?
Solve a real problem and solve it really well. By definition, that problem will need to be quite small initially. And be patient. Part of success is hanging around long enough.
Ravelin is a great example of machine learning. However, if you were to tip your hat to any company you find inspirational, which one would you choose?
Monzo. Great team, great product. I use it every day.